It's not very often that you find an athlete or an organization that takes a stand on a social issue anymore. Most team owners don't want to take the chance of offending a potential ticket buyer, and today's athletes are more likely to be self-centered and focused on their next buck. Sure, there are many athletes and franchises that do wonderful, non-controversial work in local communities and abroad. But when was the last time you heard of either standing up for or against a local, state, or federal policy?
This hasn't always been the case. During the Civil Rights movement you had Jackie Robinson, Jim Brown, Bill Russell, and Muhammad Ali who were willing to challenge their government and their sport in an effort to push towards a true equality not only for the black athlete, but for African-Americans at large.
Unfortunately, the sacrifices made by these athletes and others have been largely taken for granted in the era of the "me first" sports star. Too often, today's top athletes are only available for innocuous and cliched comments that avoid any potential for backlash. Of course, there are plenty of star athletes that get themselves into trouble with their words and their deeds. People like Terrell Owens, Ben Roethlisberger and such. But I'm not talking about those that exhibit loutish behavior, I'm referring to those willing to take a stand for something greater than their own self interest.
People like Steve Nash and Robert Sarver of the Phoenix Suns.
In protest of the execrable new immigration bill that was signed into law by Arizona Governor, Jan Brewer on April 23, 2010, the Phoenix Suns became "Los Suns" for their playoff game on Cinco De Mayo versus the San Antonio Spurs. Sarver, the team's owner, wanted to show solidarity with the Latino-American citizens of his state and decided to have new jerseys made for the club that said "Los Suns" on the front. The face of the franchise, point guard Steve Nash, has made his feelings about the new law clear as well. In an interview this week with Tony Kornheiser, Nash was asked what he thought of the new law. He plainly stated that he was "against it" and felt that it did not represent the state of Arizona or the country as a whole very well at all.
I suppose this may not seem like that big of a deal. So they changed the name on their uniform and a guy said he was "against it." However, this awful law is thus far very popular in the state of Arizona and even polls well nationally. Therefore, taking a stand against this law creates the potential for very real discomfort for Sarver and Nash. And for this act of courage they should be commended.
As I mentioned before, this is a pretty popular law right now. So, I guess I ought to state why I--like Nash and Sarver--am against it too.
Basically, this law states that Arizona police officers must stop anyone they "suspect" of being an illegal immigrant. During this stop, the individual would be required to produce proof of citizenship. If proof cannot be shown, the individual can be arrested and held until proof is given.
So why is that so bad? I'll tell ya why. What in the hell does "suspicious" mean!? Well, I think I know what it means. It means Mexican, Hispanic, Latino, or more simply put: Brown people. Does anyone really think the police will be stopping white folks and asking them for their papers? Considering that 1/3 of Arizona's population is made up of legal Hispanic-American citizens, the potential for harassment is off the charts. Ask them for their papers? This was a very popular sentence in Nazi Germany. Now, we'll be doing the same thing here. Great.
Now, I know that Arizona has a big problem with illegal immigration. The border control is porous, and the influx of undocumented workers can depress wages for legal citizens. Plus, there is a hot bed of violence that is coming through border towns due to the Mexican drug trade. Obviously, the state of Arizona has a right to be concerned and frustrated. And I don't blame the Governor and the state legislature for wanting to address the problem. However, this law doesn't do that. Not even close.
Ask yourself: Why do so many Mexican citizens cross the border to come to America? They do so at great risk of deportation, or even loss of life. So, once again, why do they come here? First off, their country is very poor with an alarmingly high underemployment rate of 25%. By far, most illegal aliens come here for work. For the want of a better life for themselves and their families. Obviously, coming here without going through proper immigration channels is wrong. But, if the situation were reversed, and the USA had no jobs (yes, I know it's tough right now, but we ain't Mexico) and Mexico did, how many of us would not do the same? Would we not cross a border if it meant feeding ourselves and our family? As I said before, I'm not trying to excuse illegal immigration. But I do think it's important to try and understand it.
What I don't understand though is how a law that cracks down only on the immigrant will be effective. If most of the illegals are coming here for work, shouldn't we be going after those that are knowingly hiring undocumented workers? These employers that hire illegals (mostly in agriculture and construction) are making out like bandits. They get to pay these workers below the legally mandated minimum wage, they pay no benefits or taxes on them, and they can treat them like shit if they choose to because what recourse does the undocumented worker have? So, yes, the non-citizen that crosses the border is at fault for doing so, but aren't we, who provide a market for their services, at greater fault? These bastards that want cheap, untaxed labor with no legal obligations toward the worker are among the lowest of the low in my book. And this law makes no great effort to address them.
Even if we could round up all the illegal aliens in Arizona and the rest of the country (impossible, but for the sake of argument) and shipped them back home, wouldn't they just come back? If they were willing to risk life and limb to get here in the first place what is going to stop their return if there are still employers willing to hire them? I think we know the answer.
I also think we know the answer as to why this law does not address these employers. In short, those people vote and illegal aliens don't. This chickenshit law was created by chickenshit politicians who want to please their base but not lose any votes. However, I believe they are in for a rude awakening.
The republican led Governorship and state house is taking a very short-sighted view with this law. If 1/3 of your constituency is Hispanic and growing at the fastest rate of any minority in the country, well, it doesn't take a genius to see what the future political fortunes of the controlling party will be. As well, what will be the financial impact on the state's tourism business? Already, several businesses have cancelled conventions in the Phoenix area. And if you are an American of Latino descent, are you going to go anywhere near the state? I doubt the supporters of this law gave that possibility much thought.
Not to mention, where are all the strict constitutionalists at on this one? Where are all those folks who show up to rallies with tea bags hanging from their hats shouting about freedom, liberty, and government overreach? How can they support a law that allows an individual to be stopped for being "suspicious" without ever defining what "suspicious" means? Do they only want liberty and freedom to apply to their klan, er, clan?
And here's another point that we may not want to admit: We actually need many of these illegals to come here and work. Can you imagine what the price of produce would rise to if we actually paid a living wage to the pickers? Does anyone out there really want to pay $8.00 for a tomato? This could be resolved by instituting a robust guest worker program and a path to citizenship for those already here. Which of course, is not reflected in the law either.
As far as the drug trade issue goes--well, it's practically the same issue. Why are Mexican drug cartels bringing drugs into the U.S.? Because we'll buy them. If there were no demand for their product, don't you think they would just go somewhere else?
Basically, what we have here is a law that is vague, unconstitutional, racist, and ineffective. It has been created to make certain people feel like something is being done, when in reality the only thing that is likely to change all that much is the level of harassment and lawsuits against the police force. Hell, did you know that it is written in the law that if a citizen feels the police are not making enough stops then they can sue their police force? That means law enforcement will be getting it from both ends. If they stop too many people, they'll get sued for harassment by those they detain, and if some "concerned" citizen feels they aren't racially profiling enough, well, then they can be sued for that too. Talk about a no-win situation.
Maybe the citizens and politicians of Arizona will feel good that we are going after "them," or "those people." However, the fact is "they" aren't the problem. They are only doing what anyone in their situation would do. No. The problem is us. And until "us" is willing to deal with our own desires for cheap labor and illicit drugs, we will just keep spinning in circles, never addressing the real issue.
I imagine these same politicians will point to the overall popularity of the law as a defense. But sometimes, what is popular is not the same as what is right. This would be one of those times. Even the owner of a sports team and a "dumb jock" can see that. I wonder, why can't we?
Sumo-Pop
May 7, 2010
No were busy here David!!! Just kiddin. haa
ReplyDelete"Like:"Not too mention, where are all the strict constitutionalists at on this one? Where are all those folks who show up to rallies with tea bags hanging from their hats shouting about freedom, liberty, and government overreach. How can they support a law that allows an individual to be stopped for being "suspicious" without ever defining what "suspicious" means? Do they only want liberty and freedom to apply to their klan, er, clan? And here's another point that we may not want to admit: We actually need many of these illegals to come here and work. Can you imagine what the price of produce would rise to if we actually paid a living wage to the pickers? Does anyone out there really want to pay $8.00 for a tomato? This could be resolved by instituting a robust guest worker program and a path to citizenship for those already here. Which of course, is not reflected in the law either. As far as the drug trade issue goes--well, it's practically the same issue. Why are Mexican drug cartels bringing drugs into the U.S.? Because we'll buy them. If there were no demand for their product, don't you think they would just go somewhere else?""
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ReplyDeleteAnother great article David!!"
ReplyDeleteDavid I sorry, I didn't mean it like that! I love your writing. I'v trying to get back here and apologize.Soryy It took to long, my computer keep going down all the time.
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to tell you again. I love how writing, i think I might appreciate more because I can't. Luckily I can read, and I do, believe it or not. Ha. Are you in the writing business, publishing etc? I've been wondering about, ever since you mention your work has been slow?
ReplyDeleteThanks, that's so nice of you to say. Actually, I run a Kaplan Test Prep office here in South Bend, IN. We help HS students with their SAT/ACT and students prepping for their Grad school entrance exams as well as nursing exams too. The summer is just slow because Notre Dame runs a really light schedule until the fall so there aren't a lot of students to service. I started writing this stuff last year when President Obama came to Notre Dame and there was a shit load of controversy due to his pro-choice position. I hadn't written with any consistency since I was on the school newspaper in college over 20 years ago. Now, I can't stop. I do like my job, but if I could do this full time, I would. I really appreciate your comments. And don't ever be afraid to disagree with me. On occasion, I have been known to be wrong. Don't tell anybody though. :)
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ReplyDeleteI myself am not sure how I feel about the law. Mostly cause I haven't dug into it real deep. On one side it is offensive to race. On the other side it is a serious problem in Arizona. So I haven't formed an opinion just yet on the issue. But it is interesting to watch this unfold. We have the same issue in California but I have never seen it ... See Moreas a big problem personally except it may be contributing to my states collapse. So I don't know yet what to think. I do know that my government is broken though and any solution from that government is probably not going to be a good one.
ReplyDeleteToo bad the Native Americans didn't have an ILLEGAL Immigration bill. If they had one, maybe they could have avoided the Trail of Tears. *sigh*
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing offensive or unconstitutional about this law. It strictly forbids racial profiling. Either people are not reading the actual bill, or they are simply lying about it.
ReplyDeleteWell said Tracey....
ReplyDeleteShouldn't it be Los Sols?
ReplyDeleteJanet, how are they going to identify the illegal alien then? I am about as white as they come. I suspect I wouldn't be asked for my papers.
ReplyDeleteJanet happens to be somewhat misinformed. The original bill was so broad based that a week after signing it the Governor had to sign changes to the law to put "more restrictions" on racial profiling.
ReplyDeleteAnd, she knows that the record and reputation of the Arizona cops is so stellar that she had to sign and executive order to require the cops to ... See Morereceive training to stave the incidences of racial profiling.
Perhaps Janet is familiar with the record of the Arizona police. If not Janet, you may find this article interesting.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/01/nation/la-na-sweeps-20100501
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Janet is white. If the cops started detaining white folks on a suspicious hunch, I think I know how she might react. This law is in place to go after brown people nothing else. Even Lindsey Graham thinks it's unconstitutional. You can add all the restrictions and training you want, in the end ... See Morethe cops are only going to be stopping brown people. The law is too vague and obviously discriminatory. Maybe when a higher court strikes it down, Janet will have to reconsider.
ReplyDeleteI still do not see how there is anything wrong with the current legislation. Any part that would have opened the door to racial profiling was removed. It simply now allows local police to enforce federal laws in their state. By the way, technically according to federal mandated laws, as long as the state didn't pass legislation against it, local authorities were allowed to enforce immigration already.
ReplyDeleteThis legislation seems timed very well. The governor is up for reelection and she needed a hot button topic to spur her voters. And it appears to be working.
ReplyDeleteWell I could see she is using it to gain support, but at the same time, with racial profiling out of the picture, and a state mandated law, which follows federal laws, who can really complain at this point?
ReplyDeleteMy aunt lives there and she thinks it is riduculous that everyone is carrying around their birth certificates and social security cards - huge identy theft issue.
ReplyDeleteIn addition I think it will cause friction between the police force and the people of the state - people will be less likely to report crime and that's never a good thing.
I'm for ... See Morestopping illegal immigration in a humane way. Improve Mexico - send some jobs there and dry the jobs up here by fining the holy heck out of people that exploit cheap, tax-free labor.
hmmmm that doesn't really even make sense. In order to get a drivers license you wither have to have a current visa or birth certificate.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that people will be reporting crime more. Especially if they think illegals might be involved.
I think it will be great for the state. It isn't any different than current federal laws, and the federal laws mandate states can enforce immigration laws. So the way I see it, nothing has changed.
As far as the DL issue goes, that's the problem Einstein. You can't tell if someone is illegal just by looking at them. If an american citizen of latino desent forgets to take their license with them, they could end up spending the day in jail. If you want to end illegal immigration, go after the employers. Of course, you'll also end up paying 10 bucks for a head of lettuce, but whatever.
ReplyDeleteI love your writing David, keep em' coming! Heck, i still think about your Ali story ...My bro has his own online paper for writers and opinions i believe. Ill have to get the info for you, its something you may be interested in....or not. lol
ReplyDelete@David,' you are a great writer and your opinion and outrage is heard! I look forward to more, so don't be shy!
ReplyDeleteOh, like the 'Sumo-pop' ...LOL
Andrea, I would love to see your bro's online paper. By all means, send it on to me. Don't worry Lynne, I'm fresh out of "shy." :)
ReplyDeleteOh, and the Ali column is probably the thing I most proud of that I have written. For whatever it's worth, that's about as good as I can do.
ReplyDeleteDon't get in trouble with the law, and this law is not a problem for you. What do you have to hide? Oh, yes, I get it, your landscaper and maid are both illegal aliens, and you would rather not pay an American citizen to work for you.
ReplyDeleteThen there are the guys who work for your construction company. It's so much easier and cheaper to pay them under the table, isn't it? You limousine liberals want your cheap labor, and you pull the race card to protect it. Stop lying about it.
ReplyDeleteOh, Janet. Obviously you didn't read my piece or you failed to understand it. As I said, if they were serious, they would go after the employers who knowingly hire illegals. If no one would hire them, they would have no reason to come here. That's logic homes. Maybe you should go get you some.
ReplyDeleteI think they should give amnesty to all the illegal immigrants in this country. They are here for a better life. Probably tried to get in the country the right way and they do not have the money. I do hope that this racist law in Arizona is thrown out.
ReplyDeleteDavid you are talking about original legislation. They went back in and changed it to they have to have been investigated under reasonable cause. Much like a drug violation. So david, Your rhetoric has done nothing, but make you look behind in current events and rude. You need to take a look at the up to date legislation. It just gives officers the... See More authority to enforce immigration statutes, which is part of the federal immigration mandate already. So in all reality, nothing is changing. Your argument was valid two weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteBrandon, how is this law racist? It is now just enforcing the federal statute. Please do some research on current legislation before making comments regarding it.
ReplyDeleteSo what are the police doing with the illegal immigrants they find? If they are deporting them who is fitting the bill? If its the Arizona taxpayer - ouch.
ReplyDeleteI am aware of the updates to the bill. I find them to be mere lip service. Just because they added some language to the bill that disallows racial profiling, doesn't mean that isn't going to happen. Once again, they will be stopping brown people and brown people only. And "suspicious" still remains undefined. Reasonable cause can equal jaywalking, Einstein.
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ReplyDeleteWhat does everyone think that Arizona should drown in illegal immigrant debris?
ReplyDeleteNo, I think they should go after the employers of illegals. If there is no demand for their services, then why would they come here. Did you even read it?
ReplyDeleteAnd they're not debris, they are people.
ReplyDeleteDavid your arrogance and cockiness amuses me. You try to use being rude to force your point across. It doesn't work. If jay walking is illegal, than a cop has just cause to stop someone. If you are speeding, he has just cause. You need to go after the feds then because this is just a statute saying the state chooses to enforce what the government ... See Morealready said they could. Get over it.
ReplyDeleteRacial profiling happens 24/7 as it is. The bill isn't flawed it, but the people that racially profile are. The bottom line is that under your argument every law passed is unconstitutional and illegal.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. You still haven't answered the question about who they will be stopping. Do you really think they are going to be stopping blue-eyed blondes? Furthermore, why aren't they going after the employers of illegals? Isn't that where the true problem lies? As long as there are people in this country who will hire... See More them, then this law is simply spinning it's wheels. It's not serious. And to be perfectly honest, neither are you. I suppose in the fantasy world you live in, there won't be any legitimate hispanic american citizens who will be stopped for being brown. Yeah, the bill isn't flawed. even that noted wild-eyed liberal, Lindsey Graham doesn't think it's constitutional. We'll see when it gets struck down by a higher court.
ReplyDeleteGood luck David. SIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ReplyDeleteYou continue to prove your lack of comprehension of this legislation. It is actually quite amusing to me.
"State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law."... See More
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanpatrol.com%2FREFERENCE%2FAidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html&h=cad5d
This is actually a quote from federal legislation that has been around. Sooooooo yet again, you fail to prove your arguing points on this. Three weeks ago or so, you had an argument, now you don't.
You can keep on running your mouth and trying to demean me, but the more you talk, the deeper you dig yourself into the retard hole you are currently in. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
The Arizona legislation simply allows state law enforcement officials to enforce what the federal law gives them permission to do already.
So your argument of racism makes no logical sense whatsoever. Good luck having it struck down when it simply acts on what federal law gives them permission to do. Lmao
Hey by the way, they are going to be going after the employers, and if they pull over anyone just for skin color, then the legislation doesn't protect them.
You do realize that the federal law states as long as state law doesn't prevent it. This legislation is serious.
I am glad you were so serious in what you were standing up for, because it proves your intellectual lack. You are the only person that has name called to try and debate on here. It shows your immaturity and lack of knowledge on the issue. Now fly away on your magical unicorn in your fantasy world where everyone that doesn't agree with you is racist.
They will be stopping anyone breaking laws. If you break a law and don't have a valid social, drivers license or identification, you will probably be investigated. Good luck arguing this is unconstitutional.
ReplyDeleteThey will be stopping anyone breaking laws. If you break a law and don't have a valid social, drivers license or identification, you will probably be investigated. Good luck arguing this is unconstitutional.
ReplyDelete“A law enforcement official or agency … may not solely consider race, color or national origin” in establishing reasonable suspicion that someone is in the country illegally.
ReplyDeleteThe second significant change does away with the “any lawful contact” language and replaces it with,
“lawful stop, detention or arrest”.
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You racist argument is gone.
The above were changes.
How can you prove that they pulled someone over just for their skin color? And once again, what is reasonable suspicion? It's too vague. All the power is with the officer. How many law suits do you think will come from people claiming harassment? You know, legal citizens of color? The very idea that they are going to disallow racial profiling ... See Moreis a joke. How else are they going to enforce the law? And by the way, being called a retard by a guy whose favorite show is Scooby Doo is pretty laughable. Ruh-Roh.
ReplyDeleteAlso, just because I think the law is racist doesn't mean I think you are. I never said that. Maybe you protest too much on that point.
ReplyDelete"May not solely" But they can consider it, right?
ReplyDeleteahhhh the copy paste didn't work. Solely was crossed out in the new version.
ReplyDeleteDavid then according to your argument all laws are bogus. I should be able to claim that a black officer pulling me over is pulling me over based on skin color.
Your argument doesn't make sense because like I said under any current arrest now for other crimes, how do ... See Morethey prove it wasn't based off skin color. Now though, if arrested or pulled over, they will also be deported. All laws are enforced the same way. Even liberal law makers are praising the new legislation saying it did a good job taking out racial elements.
I want to reiterate that under your argument I could argue all other raced officers that pull me over do so based off of race. The new legislation pulls out race. Besides if a legal citizen is asked for I.d. upon being pulled over, and he produces it, the officer can't do anything or say anything. Last time I checked, if you were pulled over without any I.d. and without a license anyone can be arrested.
Actually, my favorite shows are southland and sons of anarchy, but nice try. I love how you scoped out my profile. Inside jokes among friends are great.
And scooby doo was a classic growing up.
ReplyDeleteHey man, it's your list not mine. Interesting how much you seem to love violence as entertainment. What liberal law makers are you talking about? That's hysterical. And no one gets arrested for forgetting their D.L. Both you and the law have yet to define suspicious by the way.
ReplyDeleteHey man, it's your list not mine. Interesting how much you seem to love violence as entertainment. What liberal law makers are you talking about? That's hysterical. And no one gets arrested for forgetting their D.L. Both you and the law have yet to define suspicious by the way.
ReplyDeleteLooks like you really made some people think. A good article, I liked you arguments about going after the employers. Also, this was strictly a political move without regard for addressing the real issues. Chickenshit is apt.
ReplyDeleteBetween you and I David...yes...you can be arrested for not having your driver's license on you during a "routine" traffic stop. I had this happen several years ago here in Grand Ol' Michigan, and had to pay bail, and the impound fee for my vehicle once my wife finally located my wallet I had left at home :(
ReplyDeleteFacebook didn't exist, but scooby doo did? Yes, a show that follows cops, and is actually pretty accurate is violence? Maybe I like things that paint a true picture. Also, sons of anarchy is very similar to the style of gang life in biker gangs.
ReplyDeleteFederal law enforcement interests me, so therefore shows like these do as well.
what is reasonable suspicion in every other law?
ReplyDeleteYeah, 300 paints a very realistic picture of violence. Yes, Scooby did exist when you were a kid, however, apparently it's among your favorite shows now in 2010. Reasonable suspicion in this case means brown, and you know it.
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