"It is what I believe"--Stephen Dillane as Thomas Jefferson in the miniseries, John Adams
There is an argument being pressed by a substantial portion of the population that we need to go back. To return to the good ol' days. That we've gone to far and are in need of a reversal of course. That we need not progress.
I would ask these people, what good ol' days do you speak of?
Is it the good ol' days when Plymouth Rock landed on the Indians and pushed them across the west and nearly into the ocean?
Is it the the good ol' days when we beat back one tyrannical nation to earn our freedom only to turn around and build up our country on the backs of another whose freedom we denied?
Is it the good ol' days when we denied another gender the right to vote?
Is it the good ol' days of Jim Crow Laws, lynchings, and separate but "equal?"
Is it the good ol' days when you could bash a man or woman over the head with no repercussions just because they love differently than the majority?
What good ol' days are they talking about? Because for some people, the good ol' days were pretty terrible.
Which is why we need liberals.
Because on the major issues of the day, liberals are always right.
We were right when we supported a man who asked us to shed the blood of our brothers to abolish the abominable practice of slavery.
We were right when we walked the streets in long dresses and fetching hats for the feminine ballot.
We were right when we backed a robust man who chose conservation over plunder.
We were right when we turned to the New Deal to escape the Hoovervilles of poverty.
We were right when we rebuilt Western Europe so as not leave our allies and enemies behind in the 20th century.
We were right when we faced down the water hose while dogs nipped at our heels on the journey to equality.
We were right when at a place called Stonewall we lost our civility over persecution based only on who we chose to love.
We were right when we grew our hair long, dyed our shirts, and protested an unwinnable war for the sake of peace.
We remained right even though our leaders were often arrested or even murdered.
We were right when the fates of many our fellow like minds with less recognizable names suffered the same fate.
And make no mistake we will be right again.
We will be right about health care for everyone, whether rich or indigent.
We will be right about the oversight of economic entities who worry only about lining their pockets and not for the workers who fill them or the land and sea that does the same.
We will be right about salvaging an industry that proves we can still make something.
We will be right when we extend the same rights to everyone to wed who they wish and serve if they choose.
We will be right about the humane treatment of immigrants who pick our produce and weed our gardens because we don't have the time or humility to do it ourselves.
We will be right to have defended the religious freedoms of those who some would like to drape in an all encompassing extremist cloak.
We will be right to lend our full throats to the voiceless, lest they be left behind.
We will be right even if the security forces of a deluded Alaskan pull our hands behind our backs, and the followers of a hypocritical hippocrat push their heels down on our necks.
It's not as if we haven't been here before.
And we will be right no matter what happens next Tuesday. We will awaken. We will fight. And we will be right.
Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
We always are.
Sumo-Pop
October 28, 2010
Preach it, Dave! Even though I tend toward the *gasp* conservative bent, I loved this. But i tend to be a bit more toward the middle than a lot of my fellow conservative family and friends. (Shh, don't tell them!)
ReplyDeleteIt's really more about values. Most of those things from the past aren't seen as all that progressive anymore. But they were at the time.
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ReplyDelete... wow
ReplyDeleteDavid, and Democrats end up in the gutter when it comes to financial freedom, republicans want to restrict social freedoms, dem's want to restrict financial freedoms
ReplyDeleteI hope that was a good wow. @ Alex, two of the liberal thinkers that are alluded to in the piece are Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. Both republicans (if you're keeping score at home).
ReplyDeleteAnother impressive read. Thanks!
ReplyDeletetake it as you will....
ReplyDeleteI'd love to hear more. I'm a big boy, I can take it
ReplyDelete@ Asaro Alex: "Democrats end up in the gutter when it comes to financial freedom, republicans want to restrict social freedoms, dem's want to restrict financial freedoms"
ReplyDeleteCheck this out
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/whatisclassicalliberalism.pdf...See More
David, "like" my post if she responds?
ReplyDeleteDonna, Classic liberalism is better than modern liberalism,
ReplyDeleteHA! You know it, Trol!
ReplyDelete@ Asaro Alex - Yes, Classic liberalism is better. That is my philosophy.
ReplyDelete@ David E Phillips - make sure you like Suzy aka Trol's comment so that she will know I responded! LOL
We weren't right to put Japanese-Americans into prison camps. So I guess that blows a hole in that theory. I'm a liberal, BTW. But I'm not arrogant enough to believe I'm never wrong.
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Of course not. I'm referring to liberal thought, not parties. Two of the references in the piece are Lincoln and T. Roosevelt. Both republicans (if you're keeping score at home). When FDR put those Japanese Americans into internment camps, he was being anything but liberal.
ReplyDeleteWe need both, and they both need to be sane.
ReplyDeleteI thought I was wrong, once.
ReplyDeleteI was incorrect.
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ReplyDeleteYou better believe we're right ! Vote , vote , vote !
ReplyDeleteHell to the yeah.
ReplyDeletevery nice.
ReplyDeleteWonderful!!!
ReplyDeleteI have posted an urgent request for a conservative response! I am wracking my brain trying to remember when they have ever been right? I am willing to listen to facts, data, logic, but not bombast or demagoguery
ReplyDeleteHow could any person, with any knowledge of the American history of the 20th century, think that moving backwards could be healthy? It's awkward to listen to the stupidity. Who wants to go back to the good ole day? All Americas should be t...hrilled & proud be living in a country with all our wonderfull strides that have been made from people that fought, & sometimes died for advancements of oppressed group. And like David points out, life was hard in the good ole days. Let's just look at the last 4 decades. What technology or advancements in Medicine would they like to erase? In those 4 decades alone, life has improved for most Amercans 10 fold. We have much more to do pertaining to injustices & civil rights issues. But much has been done accomplished. Why would anyone want to squander away years of the advancements to make life better for ALL Americans. So yes, Liberals are right. Hands down. See More
ReplyDeleteConservatives are in their own little world. They are basicly self-centered, self-absorbed, selffish. They lack humilty, compassion & emphathy. Some would say that I'm painting with a broad broad brush, I say this. I have observes Conserva...tives for decades. These are my observations, with a few exceptions. Sorry, it is what it is. Good work David
ReplyDeleteI can't find the Michael Vick piece that didn't get a chance to read. Where can I find that?
well SOME WERE ACTUALLY SPIES !!!!!!!....."apan's wartime spy program
ReplyDeleteThe presence of Imperial Japanese spying within the United States is attested to by the case of Velvalee Dickinson,[32] an American who sold intelligence to Japan, as well... as the widely reported cases of the Tachibana spy ring and the Niihau Incident. The Tachibana spy ring involved a group of Japanese nationals,[33] whereas the so-called Niihau Incident occurred just after the Pearl Harbor attack, and involved two Japanese Americans on Niihau assisting a downed Japanese pilot there. Despite the latter incident taking place in Hawaii, the Territorial Governor rejected calls for mass internment of the Japanese Americans there. A secret U.S. government estimate said perhaps 3,500 ethnic Japanese in America were active supporters of the Japanese war effort. After the war, Japan said that 1,648 Japanese-American citizens had fought in Japan's Army. Other estimates set the number as high as 7,000.[34].....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
I'll never be right, though I do the best I can to be Correct.
ReplyDeleteWith respect, Laura, you are painting with a broad brush. I happen to be a conservative, as about half of my family and friends, and I've found that, while we do tend to disagree on some issues, we do possess great compassion - we are human beings just like liberals. And, yes, I have seen conservatives saying the same thing about liberals that you have stated above. Your kind of talk is what keeps dividing this country and keeps us from accomplishing anything in Washington.
ReplyDeleteI hear you Steph. Unfortunately, reasonable voices like yours don't get heard above the din.
ReplyDeleteAnd Laura's good people. It's hard not to be passionate right now.
ReplyDeleteBill, don't confuse them with trivial things like facts or logic. Good article David.
ReplyDeleteOcassionally they do put forth a fact or two. But logic? Never.
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ReplyDeleteHyper-partisanship at it's finest.
ReplyDeleteFunny, the article references at least two republicans (if not by name). Lincoln and T Roosevelt. Perhaps you've heard of them.
ReplyDeleteWe need Conservatism. To say that only Liberals were right is to deny the Ying to the Yang.
ReplyDeleteWhere does it say that "only" liberals are right? And the article is not anti-conservative. It is pro-liberal and anti-crazy. That's all.
ReplyDelete@David: I think Abraham Lincoln would have been considered a Liberal, since he vouched for more individual rights, and less economic freedom (freedom to use slaves). "Republicans" and "Democrats" were very different back then.
ReplyDeleteI'm left-leaning myself, and I think of Obama as the perfect progressive. It's unfortunate he has been so heavily blockaded, but the progress is still coming faster than it ever has. He also understood from the beginning that it is too soon for measures like single-payer healthcare. If you change things too quickly, the system might not be able to handle it, which would leave people worse off than before.
ReplyDeleteChristian, I'm actually surprised by your opinion that Obama is the perfect progressive. It seems to be the consensus among progressives here and elsewhere that Obama is clearly more of a centrist. Not merely a progressive who's been "blocked".
ReplyDeleteChristian, I agree that Lincoln was considered liberal (at least on the issue of slavery). My point is that progressive thought is not bound by party. Good ideas can come from anywhere.
ReplyDeletePerhaps I jumped the gun. My apologies David.
ReplyDeleteI think if the president they are looking for existed, he would not have gotten elected. If he had gotten elected, none of his measures would have been successful. That's why Obama is doing more now for liberals than anyone ever could, or has.
ReplyDeleteNo apology necessary. The piece is a bit strident, but also a statement of my honest beliefs.
ReplyDeleteThis is basically Bill Maher's rant, and it's a good one
ReplyDeleteI swear I didn't plaigarize! :)
ReplyDeleteI think logic would make their heads explode.
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ReplyDeleteSo this is "hyper-partisanship at it's finest" Daniel? So, we're supposed to just let the right say any dumb s**t without questioning it at all? How's this for partisanship?... we all know that this "take our country back" nonsense means be...fore there was a black President, a bunch of gay rights, Muslims living among us, and a bunch of stuff questioning this hyper-right rhetoric. If not, then what do they mean exactly?
ReplyDeleteThey bitch about taxes.. they're the lowest in decades. They bitch about the size of government and deficit.. it was their folks who have done most of this (yes.. it IS)... while they said NOTHING. They say "keep your government hands off my _____"... yet they want government to regulate things that make them feel icky like, ya know gay stuff and abortion. This "take our country back" is part of extreme partisanship by the right. There's nothing else to "take back", but the kind of stuff I mentioned. Am I wrong? What exactly has Obama stolen from them?See More
Justin, perhaps you didn't notice where I retracted and apologized for that comment later in the thread.
ReplyDeleteGreat article.
ReplyDeleteYessiree Bob!!!
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ReplyDeleteThanks, Matt. My wife (who is much smarter than me) had to convince me it was worth posting. I really appreciate your endorsement. Means a lot.
ReplyDeleteNope, I didn't.. thanks.
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ReplyDeleteHi Stephani. As I said, I'm told that I do paint with a broad brush. All I have to go on is what I see. The right doesn't want to move forwad. They fight ferociosly to make sure that life as they know it stays in place. Especially the Chris...tian right. They believe that only their civil riighta are all that matter. This is true, Stephany. They are constantly dreaming about the Consitution. They twist it to suit their own agenda. Most couldn't tell you what the ammendment even are. The same is true with many Liberals. The difference is, we don't dwell on it constantly. Regardless of the issue, the Contitution is throw around by the right to twist the issue. I give you one example, although I could give you 50 if time allowed. Here in Bourbon Co. KY-my home- the Rand Paul supporters that attacked on the young woman before the debate with Jack Coway, the lunatic that stopes on her was wearing a t shirt that read "Don't Tread On Me". If it wasn't so deplorable, it would be laughable. What about her right to free speech- with her sign-& her right to assemble? Seems to me that he "Tread" on her. She wasn't doing any harm. What about her Constitutional rights? They are pigs & cowards. The man doing the stomping is an asshole. From knowing him personally I could tell you horror stories about man & his family. His three sons, his buddies & him are all crooks & bullies. They a half mile from me. His boys grew up with my children. Paul & T party supporters. And there are are hundreds of similar hate stories nation wide. I don't think I'm painting with a broad brush. My family, including my extended family are all intolerant, narrow minded people. I've lived in 6 states & I've been around 46 yrs.
ReplyDeleteThe Republican part of the Senate didn't care enough about our country to work with Obama to make crucial changes. They decided when hevea elected that he would NOT accommplish anything. That was the GOP's agenda. Here I could also give you many examples. By the way, "Obamacare" is 90% Republican. But when he wanted to implemete this ideas into a health care plan, they sprad propaganda that this plan wouldn't work....for a lot of reasons. It was their plan. Many of the things Mr. Imams tries to implement are ideas fom the GOP. conservative news sources aren't tellig the whole story. Basicly they censor your news. They also have an agenda. To line their pockets & to keep the right uninformed. ( you shoul do a piece on that David).
ReplyDeleteI could go on & on about why Liberals are right. I've mainly been around coserativesvall my life. They can't debate issues. They don't have the informatin to debate the issues.
I'm not saying that you in general, Stephany, are a bad person. Imsay that Conservative ideals aer narrow minded, intolerant & selfish. When it comes to gay tights & a womans reproductive rights the right is narrow minded & defiant. Seperation of church & state is another example of twisting the Constitution.
I'm writing this on my phone. I can't tell where my paragraphs start & end. I can't go back & refernce what I've said. I'm not even sure if this is legible.
I didn't mean to say that your a bad person. But the Gop is for big corporations & other things that aren't to make America better. If coservatives looked into this issues, and do their homework, I think that would go a long way in getting them see things in a different light.
I'm going to close this out. I could say much more & get my points across if I was at my
pc. I can't write like David, anyway. I'm not sure how old you are, Stephany. Or how many decades you can go back & rememeber. I've posted & sent out a YouTube video. I wish you'd watch. It says a lot to what Liberals are so fired up about. If you watch it you might understand where we are coming from. " The Dirty F@&$ing Hippies Were Right". Please watch it.
Again, I'm sorry Stephany. I didn't mean to offend you. But, like David said, Im passionate. I just want what's best for our country & our citizens. I'm sure you feel the same way... I hope this makes a little bit of since. See More
You didn't offend me at all. I have heard it from many people, mostly online from armchair bloggers who like to complain instead of getting out and doing something. I am a Christian. I adhere to the beliefs that God set out for us in his word. I still understand the viewpoints of others who are not religious, and have never blasted anyone for having other points besides mine. Tread on me guy sounds like an evil, backwards buffoon. Unfortunately, you have crazies in every party, because we are the human race, and we can't contain all the crazies. I hope he went to jail, I hope he was punished. Just turn on the media (and I don't count Fox news as media, by the way) and you will see the cameras always focusing in on the one idiot spouting racist rhetoric or "God hates fags" bs. It sells viewpoints. It ignores the people quietly making their views heard through the election process. I have been lucky to be surrounded by calm, mostly centered people from both sides. You say that conservatives are narrow minded with their views. Well, that's because they stick to their opinions, and the same is said for you. Just read what you've written, and you can see that you have a very narrow minded opinion of a large group of Americans. Whoever you know doesn't represent me, or a lot of the people I've met in my life. I am 34, btw. Don't get me started on reproductive rights, because for everyone that is a very personal issue. My personal opinion is that this whole "women's reproductive rights" is reprehensible. If those cells that formed could have the possibility of turning into anything besides a living, human being, then I could understand a bit more. The child/fetus/living organism is mainly aborted because it doesn't suit someone's lifestyle. There is adoption available, and in a country where thousands of loving couples are trying to find children of their own, abortion just seems to fit in with the fast food culture we have - give it to me the way I want it. Animals are better protected right now than humans (especially the unborn). I would feel that way were I not a Christian. But I don't want to debate it, and I've never felt it was my right to chew anyone out for what they want to do with their bodies or the bodies inside their bodies. And because I am a Christian, don't lump me in with people who aren't for gay rights. I do not think homosexuals are less than me, different from me, or deserving of less rights than me. Thanks for responding. But please, in the future, try painting with a smaller brush. ;)
ReplyDeleteI am no fan of abortion, but as a practical matter, I can't see how we can go to the dark ages and back alleys. That is the conundrum. And I can't stomach the idea of those raped or victims of incest being forced to carry that child. I w...ill say that if men had the babies, we wouldn't even have a need for a discussion. Men would never let others tell them what they can or can't do with their bodies. That is not intended as a compliment, just a statement of fact when it comes to my often reprehensible gender. The only other thing that I would add is that pro lifers who have the means should consider adopting a crack baby. And I'm not trying to be funny. It would certainly help their cause if they were willing to do so. For me personally, I am pro life. Legislatively, I am pro choice. I'm also pro birth control, and the dispensation of condoms and sex education in schools. Thinking that abstinence only works to prevent teen pregnancies is a bit like the fire trucks showing up two days after the blaze has gone out. But that's just me, and I respect that others of sound mind and moral standing may disagree.
ReplyDeleteOh, and I don't believe that animals have enough protection either. Once again, just me. :)
ReplyDeleteI am all for some birth control! What I find hard to stomach are people who just could have gotten some free birth control downtown but were too lazy to do it. Abstinence, while a great idea, is a very unworkable thing to sell, especially in the culture we live in now, where every billboard and commercial for things like jeans down to gum are sexually provocative.
ReplyDeleteI think it was always hard to sell. But I take your point.
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ReplyDeleteExcellent article, David. I say the same thing. No matter what happens on tuesday, we are right and will be right again.
ReplyDeleteYep. And we don't confuse being right with being self righteous. It's about "us", not "I"
ReplyDeleteAnd thanks for posting it, Matt.
ReplyDeleteThere is a world of difference between the way we view the world and the way they do. That is ok except for the fact that their view of the world SUCKS!
ReplyDeleteLittle bit. :)
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ReplyDeleteAre you not smart enough to do it yourself?
ReplyDeleteA conservative might argue that liberal enthusiasm has resulted in over reaction in many cases. They might be able to point out instances where changes have overshot the mark, where a less extreme position might have been more beneficial to society as a whole. True conservatives are not against change, they are against change for the sake of change, and advocate that change proceed slowly, carefully, and in a manner which is respectful of institutional wisdom, traditions, and social mores that are the structure that keeps our society coherent.
ReplyDeleteI will try to gather up some specific examples.
I was raised to believe that it's healthy and important to have a variety of opinions- a lot of ways of looking at thing. I was taught that we can learn a lot by seeing things through the eyes of other people- sometimes even through the eyes of our enemies. But it's very, very difficult to do that with people who are wrong about...EVERYTHING!
ReplyDeleteAnd it's not even about party. Two of the examples in the article reference Lincoln and T Roosevelt. Republicans, if you're scoring at home.
ReplyDeleteYes, and also as you say , "its not as if we haven't been here before". A true liberal understand that change takes place over long periods of time, after great struggle, and with tremendous opposition. No time for whining that we haven't had enough change. We all play a part in the process. I would imagine that those who went through the civil rights movement are experiencing a bit of deja vu with the crazed tea baggers running around. God help us, we must get the vote out. We must do all we can to stop them.
ReplyDeleteLike our life depends upon it. 'Cause it does.
ReplyDeleteYou know, I was saying that, and then I saw something from the White House that said it. I think they stole my idea! HA! It's ok, let them have it...They're right..our lives DO effing depend on it.
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ReplyDeleteNice job Dave.I love how you put yourself out there. And Kudos on getting blocked by FB. That means you are doing something right.
ReplyDeleteIt all came to my whilst walking the hound. Wrote itself before I even stroked a key. Jennifer had to convince me it wasn't crap though. She did have a hard time with the fact that hippocrat isn't a word. English majors (shakes head).
ReplyDeleteI am a Christian myself. I don't blast people for their religious views. I blast the self righteous. I wouldn't choose abortion for myself. But I would never deny another woman the right to have one. I don't mind someones religious view poi...nts, until they start to meddle in my rights or the rights of other Americans. And religion should stay of of the gov't , period.
ReplyDeleteSo your OK with birth control. That throws a wrench into procreation, doesn't it? Gods grand plan. The reason you're suppose to have sex. To procreate.
Sudies show that crack cocaine has no effect on a fetus. Alcohol does. The study followed 15oo children to the age of 16. No difference in the crack baby vs non crack baby. "Crack baby" does sound terrible. doesn't it?
Tim Profitt has been on the news all week. If you don't know about the woman who was stomped by the volunteer for Tea Party Repubulican nominee Rand Paul. The whole world knows about it. It's been on the news all week. The guy lives not far from me. here in Bourbon Co. KY. The Tea Party here in KY are animals. Idiots.
It's not so much that the T Party is racist. But most are. It's that they complain about ignorant things. 1) Smaller gov't: smallest gov't has been this small in a decade. 2) lower taxes: lowest your taxes have been in years 3) take back our country: take it back from where? By the way it's my country too.....the bottom line. The president is a black & it eats their ass.
There is nothing narrow minded about me. I'm tolerant & open minded. What did I say that you would take as narrow minded. It's that they Conservatives stick to their opinions. They want EVERYONE ELSE to stick to there opinion.
Abortion. You think woman get abortions just because a child wouldn't fit their lifesyles? I dont' think thats the biggest reason. Coservatives want it both ways. Protect the fetus & then kick the child under the bus. No entitlements. Conservative might have their tax dollars going to pay for the care of that child. Adoption. There are 1000's of kids in foster care right now that needs a home. Every single child born in the U.S. has the right to food & shelter, health care & an education. Republicans don't want to fund that. I see that you're OK with birth control. And you're talking about a living organism. So your not cocerned with killing a sperm or an egg? When is conception? As soon as the sperm penetrates the egg?
A Christian can be a Christain & not impose their views on others. And conservatives have a hard time doing that.
You say that your for gay rights? Right to marry & have children? All the rights that heterosexual couples have? If you do than your not a good consevative christian.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to paint with a broad brush when it comes to Conservatives. And if you don't see it that way, then maybe you aren't really a Conservative. And I don't mean that as an insult.And there isn't anything wrong with that. The reason I mentioned that was because I asked a good friend one time, why she thought she was a conservative republican. I asked her if she thought that it's a womans choice to an abortion. She said like me, yes although I wouldn't choose it for myself. I said, "Lisa, you have two Masters. You have 2 kids in top colleges & one on the way to college in 3 yrs. Don't you think all children have the right to a good education & that it takes tax dollars to to that? She said well of course. I reminded her that we have several gay friend in common that we love. She said she loves them too & that of course it's not a lifestyle choice. Your born that way. She said that if one of her kids were gay she would support them & hope they would marry & have the same rights as other. She believes in the seperation of church & state. She doen't want her kids taught creationism in their public schools, She doesn't want the 10 commandments in the courthouse. She understands that they have to kept seperate.Anyway we went back & forth on several more issues. In the end we almost identicle views. Liberal views. She still questions herself & has done some research & knows she isn't a conservative. Although she is a Christian, She attends church 2x a week & particapates in the womans prayer group. Much better Chritian than me. My point is, maybe your not as conservative as you think you are. Lisa thought she was because her family is. This is true of a lot of people. It's not just a brand ( Republican/conservative). It's whats in your heart & soul.
As far as sexually provactive goes. As long as it is shielded from the children, I'm all for it . Lol. Just Kidding. Trying to lighten thigs up:)
Stephany, you sound like a really nice woman & I mean that sincerely. But we don't agree on much. But we may have more commonality than we realize.See More
Crap??? Surely you jest!!!
ReplyDeleteI went back and forth on it, until she set me straight. She's good for that. :)
ReplyDeleteHey, nice work.
ReplyDeleteI think it'd be good thing, too, for Conservatives to remember that their cautious approach to change (which, as a Conservative, I think is a generally good thing) could lead to an un-healthy stagnation without Liberals constantly pressing for consideration of change on so many fronts.
Likewise, Liberals would benefit from a realization that their enthusiastic approach to change (which, even as a Conservative, I think is a generally good thing) could lead to a kind of hypochondriac quest to find something that needs fixing, without the skeptical caution of Conservatives.
We're all wrong sometimes, and so we all benefit from some opposition sometimes.
That doesn't mean we'll ever like it, but we should all keep it in mind whenever we find ourselves wishing the opposition would just go away.
I don't think they should go away. I just wish some of them would stop acting so nutty or entrenched. I used to like John McCain, and now I don't even recognize him.
ReplyDeleteI have been putting an article a month in the local paper and while 90% of the calls I receive are from rational human beings the rest call to call me Hitler.
ReplyDeleteHey, Joe. Articles that you have written?
ReplyDeleteSigh. This whole discussion makes me weary. Let me just say, then, that of course, you are right. You must know every single tea party member personally, and know that they are all racist. You must have concluded that by polling each member and each conservative. I will bow to your wisdom, and the wisdom of the news networks. Whatever they say about conservatives must also be true. We are all ignorant, don't care for the future of this country, hope everyone starves, and on top of that, apparently we don't watch the news either, as I would know about the jackass in KY. I am also apparently not a great Christian, either. :) I love people like Dave, wherein I can just talk about what he wrote, and agree with some, and disagree about others. But this discussion gets me nowhere, except of course bowing down to your infinite wisdom, which is a liberal point of view I have only encountered a couple times before. Thank goodness all my liberal friends don't have that same attitude where they always have to be right. You didn't make me angry at all, just tired of going in circles. You're right, we don't agree on much. But that doesn't necessarily mean you are right and I am wrong.
ReplyDeleteI don't think all Tea Party folk are racist at all. What I will say is that they seem to have an open door policy for some people with some very ugly opinions. Of course, we on the left have a group of folk who think Bush planned 9/11. I've no use for those lamp post scratchers either.
ReplyDeleteThey were to the local paper. If you want I can probably find the links.
ReplyDeleteExcellent David :)) as always, thanks for sending :)
ReplyDelete@Joe, please do. I'd love to see them.
ReplyDelete@Mary, thanks sweetness. :)
Exactly. Crazies everywhere! :)
ReplyDeleteThere are those that see conspiracy in everything...then you have the tea party...it's tough being in the middle.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I'm not really in the middle. Although I do try to take a moderate tone...sometimes.
ReplyDeleteI will look them up David. It may take some time as the paper lists them by date and I haven't kept the dates. I haven't kept a second copy either, but I'll do some research.
ReplyDeleteI am getting a sick feeling in my stomach. Tired of hearing the trolls gloat already. That is why I don't go to many group pages. I can't stand the thought of handing everything back to them! Those snarky little cretins on the DCCC page are some of the worst!
ReplyDeleteNow that I've had my little rant and pity party, regardless of what happens, either way we still have so much work to do. David, I enjoyed your article,as always. I think we need to somehow have a clear direction to go after whatever happens on Tues and the right people to get us there.
Thanks, Joe!
ReplyDeleteCheryl, the world won't end on Tuesday, no matter what. It will get tougher. But then we probably should have known that the bigots and know nothings would come out of the woodwork after the Kenyan, Muslim won the presidency. Now our opponents have a name and description. And those of us who slept on this election will learn some very hard truths starting next week.
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