Saturday, October 9, 2010

Why I Can't Forgive Michael Vick

Over the first month of the NFL season, there has been no bigger story than the reemergence of Michael Vick as a top flight quarterback. Many thought Vick was done for as a star football player after serving 21 months in prison for running an interstate dog fighting ring. He returned to the game last year as the 3rd string quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. He moved up to 2nd string this year after The Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Washington Redskins. After starter Kevin Kolb was injured in the first game of the season, Vick took over and had what might have been the best three game run of his career. Not only was he making plays with his feet, but he was also doing so with his arm, displaying a new found accuracy in the process.

Like many, I found his performance remarkable. He truly seems better than ever. Which of course, makes him quite a story. But is it a "feel good" story? I think not.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand that Vick has served his time for the crime that he plead guilty too. And I take no issue with his right to seek employment in his chosen profession. I say this even though I think his sentence was nowhere near what he deserved. Nor do I agree with The Eagles decision to offer him a job. But I do not argue their right to employ him or Vick's right to accept. Perhaps I should just be thankful that my Miami Dolphins didn't bring him back to the league.

Still, his presence in the NFL offends me. Of course, I know there are a lot of "bad" guys in the NFL besides Vick. Donte Stallworth returned to the league this year after killing a man while operating his car while legally drunk. Obviously, his crime was horrendous too. But I can give Stallworth a break more easily than I can Vick. Yes, I know, Stallworth killed a person whereas Vick killed dogs. I'm not trying to argue the value of a dog's life over that of a human being. But here's the difference, Stallworth did not set out to kill that man when he got behind the wheel of his car. Was he irresponsible? Certainly. Was he liable? Absolutely. Was his goal to torture, maim, and kill? No. And for me, therein lies the difference. Stallworth was foolish. Vick was intentionally cruel.

How cruel? Here is just a sample of what was found on Vick's property in rural Virginia:

1) Multiple shallow graves of deceased dogs
2) Rape stands which were used to lock a female pit bull into place while an aggressive male was forced to copulate with her
3) Bloody fighting pits in buildings painted black so that they could not be seen in the forest area behind the property.
4) 49 dogs that were used for fighting, breeding, and bait in squalid conditions.

Why in the world would Vick get involved in something as detestable as this? Many will point to a "culture" of dog fighting that permeates certain areas of the south. The point being that Vick grew up around dog fighting and therefore saw nothing wrong with it. Which I will buy up until a point. If Vick were a 15 year old kid involved in this racket, that would be one thing. Hell, if he were a 27 year old man who had never left his backyard, I might even understand that. But Vick wasn't. He was a 27 year old football star who had experienced much more than his "backyard." He went to a major college (Virginia Tech), was paid millions of dollars by the Atlanta Falcons, and surely had classmates and teammates who had loving relationships with animals. But maybe the most important point to note is this: He knew it was illegal. You don't go through all the effort that he did to keep his nasty side business under wraps if you think it's permissible behavior. Here was a man who didn't need this and should have known better. So why did he continue to do it? My guess is that he loved it.

He loved watching two pit bulls tearing each other apart in the blacked out rooms on his property. To see them maimed, brutalized, and disfigured. Many of them ending up dead or dying. He took pleasure in it. Monstrous.

And what did they do with dogs that were grievously injured or unwilling to fight? They murdered them. By methods such as drowning, electrocution, and hanging. In fact, one dog was picked up and thrown to the ground repeatedly until the poor beast's heart gave out. Why didn't they just shoot them? Because they didn't want anyone to hear the gun shot. Vick either participated or was present for many of these dispatchings. At minimum, he funded them. This is sick, vile behavior, and if it were up to me, they would have locked him up and thrown away the key.

Unfortunately (from my perspective), that is not what the law provides. In many states, animal cruelty is not even a felony. If there is a single good thing to come from this, it's that a light was shined on this diseased blood sport and there have been many crackdowns on dog fighting across the country.

Actually, there was one other good thing to come from this. Of the 49 dogs that were seized from the property, only two had to be euthanized (one for aggression, the other due to poor health). One of the dogs was deemed unadoptable, but will live out the rest of his life on a shelter in Utah. The other 46 have either been adopted, or are in training to become adoptable. Some have even become service dogs.

Pit bulls are often beset by a lot of mythology about their aggressive nature. While it's true that some of the worst dog attacks in recent years have been perpetrated by the breed, that behavior is not typical, and is often caused by irresponsible owners who do not properly train or socialize these powerful creatures. If Vick's Badnewz Kennelz has proven anything, it is that they are NOT "bad" dogs.

As I mentioned before, I take no issue with Vick's return to football. And if sportswriters around the country want to report his exploits as a "feel good" story, than that is their prerogative. Just don't expect me to salute. Yes, I'm aware that Vick has kept his nose clean since his release. That he has said all the right things--even doing PSA's for the Humane Society. And since I can't get inside of his head, I have no way of knowing whether he is sincere or not. I hope that he is. I hope that he can make something of his life beyond the football field and serve as an example of what not to do with your life. If his tale of dog fighting can become a cautionary one, than that will at least be something.

But some things are so heinous and despicable, that I simply can't forgive them. And the consistent, intentional infliction of cruelty on animals whose very life is dependant upon those whose hands they fall into is one of them. And yes, I know Jesus saves, and God forgives. But I'm not Jesus and I sure ain't God. And I don't.

Sumo-Pop
October 10, 2010

122 comments:

  1. You should watch this documentary movie on his dogs and what happened to some of them…its won several awards including BEST SOCIAL COMMENTARY AT THE ACTION ON FILM FESTIVAL and takes a look at the aftermath of what happened after he was busted for dog-fighting.
    www.VICKDOGMOVIE.com

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  2. Amen. Some big brute in my neighborhood shot my cat with a pellet gun last week. I sure hope he got a mighty big thrill from shooting a innocent cat because it cost me $500. Good news is the cat's okay, bad news is the asshole is too.

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  3. Dude, WTF are you doing at Kaplan or a bank? You're the next goddamned Frank DeFord -- this is brilliant! I wish they'd start "The National" back up, remember that paper?

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  4. Yeah, I do. Frank DeFor? I fucking wish. Thanks, though. high praise indeed.

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  5. Is it DeFor? Duh. I mean it, though. Totally incisive and witty, yet humane -- just like Frank's stuff. I also love his NPR commentaries.

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  6. The fact that he gets to come back and be this great star pro football player after what he did makes me angry. The time he did was not nearly as harsh as it should have been but I'm actually surprised he had to serve anything at all.

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  7. Can not stand him! Shared

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  11. Mike Vick has paid his dues and I have no problem with him playing in the NFL. My hope is that he will become one of the strongest athlete-advocates for animal rights. But until then, I can't forgive him for what he did. I'm holding out hope that something positive can come out of such a horrendous situation, but I'm not holding my breath.

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  12. As I said, he has every right to seek employment in his profession. And I have every right to think ill of him. And I do.

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  14. Hate him, hate him, hate him. Torturing dogs, using them in a blood sport, and then killing them when they did not produce takes a special kind of psychopath. And, if he was not an athlete, most of us wouldn't even want to look him in the eye. No forgiveness.

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  15. Odessa Vaughn BraxtonOctober 10, 2010 at 7:58 AM

    not that anybody cares, but locally he does alot and i mean a lot for the urban youth in Philly that are caught up in bad stuff and has began working with PETA. i grew up in an area that did dog and cock fights. kids were being trained real young. not making any excuses for him b/c i dont know his heart.

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  16. He went to prison, but I don't think he has really "paid his dues". KIlling dogs is unforgivable and I am sure he said whatever his publicist told him to say, but you are right on about the rest.

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  17. ‎@Odessa: And that is why I leave out hope for him. He is still very young and maybe maturity can bring him into a place of strong advocacy.

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  18. Sonia Shannon O Sorry,I have no use for him.He's just another greedy,heartless,egotistical pro-athlete who cares only about one thing and that's $$$.Just because he can toss a ball around and run fast or whatever football players doesn't make him special.The hell with him.

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  19. Prison is a known cure for being a psychopath.

    But in all seriousness, may he meet the ghost of every dog he's ever killed.

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  20. He is required to work with the Humane Society as part of his parole. As soon as that ends, so will his participation.

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  21. I wish there was a conditional like button. I like your post, as it relates to the article. That you are a dog owner, and can have the midset to giving Vick an opportunity for redemption speaks volumes. Even though skeptical, you still are ...willing to again, give the opportunity.

    The writer, on the other hand, has convictions that prohibit him from EVER forgiving him. That's his prerogative. I take issue with his minimilizing what Stallworth did. DWI/DUI is a choice that is made before the consumption of mind-altering substance is ingested, and is more than just a bad choice. As one who has seen the victims when a drunk wrecks a family, I have less sympathy for the drunk than for a dogfighter. Sure the dogs are innocent animals, and don't for one second think that I am minimizing one to heighten the other, that was the mistake of the writer and I won't make the same mistake that I point to as his. After having seen how a drunk killed three, the grandparents and their infant granddaughter, leaving the mother of the child mourning the loss of parents AND child, I have harsher feelings for anyone that gets behind the wheel impaired. I equate drunk driving with shooting a gun in the air, the bullet may land harmlessly to the ground, but it might strike someone, and pulling the trigger one never knows which outcome will be the result.

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  22. I'm not ok with either drunk driving or dog fighting. And in no way did I effort to minimize what Stallworth did. However, his intent was not evil I defy you to tell me that Vick's was not either.

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  23. Let me state for the record that I live here in the Philly area and I own a rescued pit bull named, "Smokey." That said it always amazes me how people are quick to throw down the gauntlet of no compassion to a man who has shown in many ways... that he gets it. In fact, Mike Vick, in trying to get over his dog fighting transgressions probably hurt himself playing overly hard to show his fans that he is trying to put his past behind him. I don't see the same degree of insensitivity and lack of compassion directed towards Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback Ben Roethlisberger? A three time serial rapist who only beat the charges because of the pressure put upon the DA's office out in Allegheny County, PA. Here's the link to that article:
    http://www.politicolnews.com/roethlisberger-3rd-rape/See More

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  24. O He's a pro-athlete.Period.He'll do anything(work with youth,PETA,Humane Society,etc)to regain his professional image and keep his career and the $$$ rolling in.Doesn't mean he gives a crap about inner-city kids,animals,poor people,or anyone/anything other than his image and the $$$.Society tends to forgive pro athletes for anything,though I'm at a loss why,no matter how serious the offense.If they can be forgiven of rape,animal abuse is nothing to the people who think these people actually contribute to society.

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  25. You and I have spoken about Roethlisberger before, Ron. I think he is a sexual predator and a sociopath.

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  26. Roethlisberger is a pig. I can't stand him or Vick. How's that?

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  27. Ron, as a Steeler's fan and a feminist, I think Roethlisberger is scum and as Sonia has pointed out, I also think if he was a regular guy, he would be in prison.

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  28. Ben Roethlisberger is a piece of shit who would be in prison were he not a pro athlete.I don't have any more use for him than I do for Vick.

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  29. I will not attempt to minimize Vick's actions which I stated. I only think that there has been an overuse of Stallworth's actions to villify Vick further. I am not OK with either one, but society needs to change its views on DWI, and by not making it evil, perhaps because anyone who drinks runs the potential of becoming a perpetrator, only makes the possibility of occurrence even greater. My criticism was not as much your feelings about Vick as they were about your comments about Stallworth.

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  30. For the record, I am also anti rape. I know this puts me at odds with the GOP. Not sure why this Ben Roethlisberger jagoff is getting off any easier than Vick. Plus dude trim that crappy-ass beard.

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  31. David, I live in Minneapolis, where we just had 3 college kids killed by a drunk driver while changing a tire. For me, if you get behind the wheel while drunk and injure or kill someone, it should be the same penalty as murder.

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  32. ‎@Sonia: No one carried any water for Mike Vick. He did the crime(s), and he did his time. Can't he have the decency to try and put his life back together? "Let he who is without thy single sin cast the first stone."

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  33. ‎@Heidi: I agree with your last post. Your first one missed the mark on me. I am in NO way defending Vick's actions; I was stating my problems with Stallworth's. The driver who killed my friends was a teen, and after the horror of the story dies, so do the cameras. The son of the victims had a TV interview, and stated that he has forgiveness in his heart, but wished that people could understand the horror of DWI/DUI, as no other family should ever have to endure the hardship that it causes.

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  34. Ron,I won't have my own personal character compared with a vile piece of shit like Vick.That Biblical crap is just another attempt to justify what he did.I'm not casting stones,I'm calling evil what it is.He's not a child,he was an adult male who should have known right from wrong but just didn't give a damn.People put these athletes up on a pedestal and think they can do no wrong when the truth is most of them are the lowest scum of society.

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  35. David, what Vick did is inexcusable. Never, have I seen remorse for his crimes, only remorse about what it cost him. Stallworth, at least from one article I read, seemed to show genuine remorse. He still deserves prison time.

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  36. ‎@Sonia: That definition sounds like mine for a politician. Just saying...

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  37. Sonia, I agree with most of your last post, except the part about most athletes being scum. I think collectively, they are much like the rest of society; most are good people, work hard, and go home to their families. We seem to only hear about the bad ones, since the good one wouldn't be so interesting.

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  38. ‎@Sonia: That "biblical crap" as you call it is the thin difference between good and evil. It is the fulcrum that balances mankind's judgment and compassion. Without it, we, all of us, dance in the darkness of ignorance.

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  39. ‎@Heidi:Remorse is overrated, in my opinion. As Jeb Bush once said, when people were protesting the cruelty of "Old Sparky", their electric chair; "Dead is dead." Remorse is an action that cannot be proven nor disproved, which is why I place so little stock in it. I'm more about what you did, than why.

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  40. Ron, not true. I'm an athiest. And yes, I have a very high moral code.

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  41. ‎@Heidi: God has love in His divine heart, even for you. ;-)

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  42. Dead may be dead, however, would you prefer to die of old age during your sleep, or tortured by a maniac?

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  43. The article is a personal statement. And should be read as such. If you can find it in your heart to forgive him, then I freely admit that you may be a better person than me.

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  44. Ron, don't need anything from your god.

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  45. ‎@Heidi: He is "not" "my God." He is the God of all Mankind whether you agree or disagree. ;-)

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  46. Here's my disconnect. I've been a pet owner now for 5 years. We've had three cats. I'd chew off an arm before I'd let any harm come to any of them. We had to put one down this spring and I still miss him terribly. I am not a dog person... exactly, but still how anyone can function without empathy for a dog is beyond me. How that empathy is restored with 21 months of prison is beyond me. Would you send one of your children to fight another child to the death? That's the only analog I have, and it doesn't explain it for me.See More

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  47. Sonia Shannon O There is more evil in the Bible(especially the Old Testament)than good,and sorry,but I'm no ignoramus who can be bamboozled by the rantings of one wee little gaggle of patriarchs in one little isolated corner of the world a mere 2,000 mille...nnia ago.When someone intentionally abuses an animal or a child,they are imposing themselves upon something which has no defense,and there is no way they can claim they "didn't know what they were doing" or whatever their defense may be.If someone has no compassion,then they deserve none.

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  48. Ron, I am an atheist. He is not my anything.

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  49. I was not talking about how I die, but since you ask, I would rather not die by way of the maniac. My point was that remorse or no remorse has no effect on the act that has been committed. It only gives a sense of hope, sometimes false, that the person might not commit the same offense again.

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  50. ‎@David,politicians are about on the same order as pro atheletes.

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  51. ‎@Heidi: Have you spoken to Him lately? ;-)

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  52. Nathan, I agree with you 100%.

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  53. ‎@Heidi: God. He accepts all points of view, for and against Him. ;-)

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  54. Why exactly would I speak to someone who does not exist?

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  55. It's unconstitutional to attempt to push one's religious beliefs on another.

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  56. Thank you Sonia.

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  57. David, regarding your last comment, I agree. You are right, dead is dead.

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  58. This was a Michael Vick thread. What happened?

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  59. ‎@Heidi: It might interest you to know that I wasn't always as reverential towards God as I am now. In fact, in my younger days I sort of leaned towards an atheistic point of view somewhat. All of that changed after I went to Vietnam. Guys who fancied themselves as chest thumpin' atheists were screaming and yelling for every God that would listen to them when we came under our first real taste of "incoming fire." You kind of get religion real fast when faced with kind of thing. ;-)

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  60. I find no conflict with being a Christian and condemning the actions of both Vick and Roethlisberger,

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  61. You know, there are NFL players who beat and rape their wives and girlfriends who got off with lesser sentences than Michael Vick. What he did was heinous, without a doubt, but he did pay his dues.

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  62. ‎@Suzy: You are on point, dear. ;-)

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  63. Matt,it somehow became about how we were judging Michael Vick and "throwing stones" and not forgiving him as the Bible supposedly commands.

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  64. Ron, I was baptised as a Christian, and as my life went on, I found I had very little in common with the teachings. I have read the Bible, the Koran, the teachings of Budda, of Hinduism and to a lesser extent, most other religions. I do not believe in any of them. That is my right as a citizen of the United States. You can believe whatever you want, but show me the same respect.

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  65. Matt, I have no idea why this suddenly evolved into something else.

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  66. ‎@Heidi: As I recall, I did not say anything disrespectful towards you? Nor, did I call anyone's respect for their religion, "biblical crap."

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  67. Ron, when did I say that?

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  68. I don't get the feeling Ron is disrespecting anyone. Did I miss a post?

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  69. ‎@Heidi: You didn't and I apologize.

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  70. I think the Michael Vick case points to the big problems that exist for so many athletes who come up from poverty. All of a sudden so much is dangled in front of them, and I suspect there's not a lot of guidance, nor, from what I've seen in our Big Ten college town, nor much compassion when they mess up. Anyway, it's no excuse, but people can change.

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  71. And yes Ron, you are disrepectful when you continue to say things like 'God has love in His divine heart, even for you' and ' He is "not" "my God." He is the God of all Mankind whether you agree or disagree. ;-)' after I told you I was an atheist.

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  72. Ron,you insinuated that I had no place to "throw stones" at someone who has done things that I could never imagine doing to a living thing.I responded the best way I knew how.You addressed me by name first,I reserve the right to speak in defense of my character being insulted.

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  73. ‎"Throw stones" is the parable for forgiveness. A good Christian can forgive Vick. I never professed to be a good Christian, It's not like there was a hotline these dogs could dial.

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  74. This I agree with you on.
    He had better do something good for animals. At least do some donating...

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  75. Anyone who harms the innocent and defenseless without remorse has no business whining when they aren't forgiven for their actions.

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  76. You just summed up my whole article in a single sentence.

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  77. One of our cats my wife found in Central Park a year and a half ago. We fixed him up and adopted him. He hopped up on my chest a few minutes ago very happy to divert my attention from the laptop.

    I am no closer to forgiving Vick.

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  78. Exactly Sonia!!!!

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  79. Nathan, I have 3 dogs and 5 cats. All of them are rescues. Our youngest dog, Reese, was rescused from Hurricane Katrina. Each of them deserves to live their life happy, protected and safe. Thank you for rescuing too.

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  80. My cat is climbing all over the back of my chair demanding me to get into bed.Like Nathan,I'm no closer to forgiving Vick,nor will I be tomorrow,or Monday,or next January,etc etc.....

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  81. Somehow, I have always had trouble distinguishing between a sincere bigot and a sincere atheist? Each one believes that he has a highly principled and unassailable view of life and all that it entails. Which is why even today you have some ...people who just cannot come to grips with a Black president because it challenges their belief system. I am NOT saying that people who do not believe in God are bigots, at least none that I have known over the years. But a closed mind, more often than not, lends itself to lacking in compassion and common sense.See More

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  82. We have 2 cats and a dog. All rescues. I'm not agnostic on this issue whatsoever.

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  83. I didn't realize what a bargain the ASPCA was until we did it on our own. Which again, to my point, is how anyone could put themselves through this to have their pet fight another to the death??? Seriously struggling with how this is justifiable.

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  84. ‎@Nathan: It's not justifiable. It is evil and a criminal offense.

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  85. Ron, why can't aetheists be compassionate? That makes no sense. And what does Obama have to do with anything? Most aetheists support him. Look up the stats. I think your own personal issues are creeping in here.

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  86. i would agree that the article is the writer's personal opinion and should be left at that...In the grand scheme of things our opinions are...well, i'm just glad i'm not a public figure who's personal failings are subject to scrutiny from the masses...

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  87. ‎@David: I did NOT say atheists couldn't be compassionate. I'm sure that they are. But they don't have any more claim to life's viewpoints than do theists like me.

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  88. So, because my view is different than yours I am a closed minded bigot that wants 'special rights?' LOL! Yes, because that special right of my own beliefs somehow interferes with your own. Sure, keep telling yourself that.

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  89. I can say one thing.I've never met an atheist who demanded that I be an atheist too,or that I accept their belief because it was the "one true" belief,or questioned why I was not an atheist.I've never had atheists knocking on my door demand...ing money or that I confess my" sins" or be "damned to hell",or tell me that "my day is coming" etc etc.No,they don't have any more claim to life's viewpoints than anyone else,but they don't demand that everyone accept their views or else.That seems much more compassionate than saying "my religion/diety is the one true belief and anyone who disagrees is wrong".See More

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  90. ‎@Ron didn't mean justifiable to others, but as a human being to one's self. I haven't seen any evidence that Vick is truly reformed. Which I think gets back to Matt's original skeptical post... no forgiveness until he can prove it.

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  91. Sonia, that is because we (or at least I) believe you can believe whatever you want, even if your diety is the flying spagetti monster.:)

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  92. ‎@Nathan, i'm not tryin' to draw too fine a line here, but if a man is convicted of a crime, does his time and his employer reinstates him...uh, i don't think lobbying for "forgiveness" from a person he doesn't even know is of any consequence...

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  93. Forgiveness... at least my interpretation... is personal. If I can't forgive you for some transgression, I doubt you will lose sleep over it. I think that is in part why the Bible wants us to leave judgment to a higher source, for the ver...y practical reason that holding a grudge tends to eat us alive.

    As for Vick himself, I've seen no evidence so far of any rehabilitation. We seem to be concentrating on how he's "done his time" which is like congratulating an alcoholic for going months without a drink without actually dealing with the psychology of addiction. There is little evidence the man is sorry for anything but being caught.See More

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  94. ‎@Nathan, if holding a grudge tends to "eat us alive", couldn't the same be said for waiting for "evidence" of rehabilitation?...i mean Michael Vick is not accountable to us in any way, shape or form...he is under no obligation to "prove" himself to anyone apart from the employer who set the conditions for his reinstatement...

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  95. I wonder what the views of many of you would be if Vick was a brother, nephew or even a son of yours.

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  96. The thing about forgiveness is this: it's really most profound when you are forgiving those that are hardest to forgive. And it does not mean forgetting. I hope that Michael Vick is voluntarily making some sort of restitution in some way --... maybe sports writers such as this guy, instead of rehashing the horribleness of the situation, could hold Vick's feet to the fire in some way. Maybe he has teammates who could. But unequivocal statements of "I will never forgive so and so for …" have less to do with Jesus and God and more to do with trying to be human.See More

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  97. Nathan Chaffee ‎@Ronnie... yes, he is lucky I am not in a position to hire him!

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  98. lololol...sigh!

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  99. Wow. Thank you for this. It may be really helpful in a local project in which I am involved!

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  101. I love it! I feel exactly the same way!

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  103. Sabrina Goodman-BeharieOctober 10, 2010 at 8:41 AM

    It's hard for me...on the one hand I know he deserves a second chance-but then I can't get the visuals out o my head what they found at that house and what had happened to the dogs....I'm conflicted.

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  104. He has the right to seek work, and I have the right to hold his transgressions against him for the rest of my natural life.

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  105. Stephanie Moore BiekOctober 10, 2010 at 8:42 AM

    Great last couple sentences. I have Lso wondered at how quickly this jackass has been pardoned. In the world of athletic stardom, there is no crime too horrible to keep a star from returning to the game. It's a shame.

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  106. Sabrina Goodman-BeharieOctober 10, 2010 at 8:42 AM

    Bless the beasts and the children.........

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  108. Yeah, score a few touchdowns and ye are redeemed. F--- him.

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  109. Only Vick was the beast, and the dogs were the children.

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  110. Sabrina Goodman-BeharieOctober 10, 2010 at 8:43 AM

    I cried for those dogs...then I saw how traumatized they were during rehab. Luckily many of them have been saved and are in good homes now. That makes me smile....

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  111. Thank you Dave. That was excellent. People have no idea what a dog fight ( with any breed ) looks like until you see the damage it causes first hand. I've seen way too many lately. : (

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  112. I feel for you, Kim. What I've seen on television turns my stomach. I can't imagine what it looks like firsthand. I could NEVER do your job.

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  114. I knew that I was not happy with the recent Vick celebrations. After reading your article, I have an outline of why.

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  115. Kristy Olejnik ThompsonOctober 10, 2010 at 4:55 PM

    Thanks I found your blog very interesting, I too cannot forgive him and hope that reincarnation exist so he can come back as a dog..

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  116. I agree. The heck of it is, that he was probably treated like a superstar while in prison. Probably the best thing that happened to him was that he lost everything and had to file bankruptcy. The hit in the wallet probably had more effect then the confinement. Either way, he didn't pay enough.

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  117. injured and cant fight, got to put him down...

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  118. David - I just saw this, Excellent, thanks for sharing, and for messaging!

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  119. Very thought provoking posts. Two questions: How long does a perp (not Vick) have to be shamed before he can be rehabilitated? Has anyone ever seen shame change a person from bad to good. Ever seen it in life? In a movie? (wouldn't make for a good movie) I haven't seen it. Shame never has, nor ever will be the reason people change their ways for life. What changes a person's ways for life is love, compassion, and ultimately grace--and none of these can be counterfeit. Shaming others makes those who sit in judgement self-righteous, and feel better about their deficiencies. I defy you to prove otherwise.

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